It took me sometime to find a video that describes most correctly the way my wife and I felt when we were leaving the mormon church. What this couple went through is so much alike with our experience! I dedicate this video to all those who want to leave and yet are afraid of taking that step. Don’t be afrais because you are not alone and there are many of us here willing to help you.
Source: Pride in Utah
North Carolina: 40 year old Bryan Michael Egnew spent the last decades of his life building up the courage to come out to his family and Mormon church. Once he did his life, family and religion were stripped away from him, and he committed suicide within a matter of weeks. Read further here.
Source: Rethinking Mormonism
As a True Believing Mormon, I often wonder about the temple endowment and how it could possibly make sense.
Here’s my list of questions about the temple endowment:
1. Why are the days of creation different than those recorded in the Book of Moses and Genesis? The third and fourth days are backwards in the endowment ceremony.
2. In the Mormon scripture Book of Moses 3:15-25 it says that God commanded the man (Adam) not to eat from the tree of good and evil. God didn’t command the woman, because she had not been created yet. So why is the endowment film different than the Mormon scriptural account?
3. How did Peter, James and John get bodies before they were born? Peter shakes Adam’s hand, so we know they weren’t spirits. According to Joseph Smith’s handshake test for discerning evil spirits from good spirits, Peter should have refused to shake Adam’s hand (unless he had been resurrected).
4. Satan wears an apron that he says is a symbol of his power and priesthood. Why then does Adam, Eve and the temple congregation moments later obey Satan when he commands them to put on aprons?
5. How could Jesus be on the right hand of God, in physical form looking like his identical twin, when Jesus had not been born or resurrected yet? Jesus says in the Bible and Book of Mormon that he wasn’t perfected until AFTER the atonement.
6. So was Lucifer a snake as it says in the scriptures, or a man like it shows in the temple?
7. Lucifer picks the apple off the tree and gives it to Eve. But Lucifer doesn’t have a body! What’s up with that?
8. Where did Lucifer get his preacher that was preaching to Adam and Eve? Was he for real or just a ghost? If just a ghost, why was he dressed as a protestant minister with the collar for Adam and Eve to see?
9a. The Book of Abraham as well as the modern prophets have taught us that the earth was created around the star Kolob. It orbited God’s solar system until AFTER the fall, when it was hurled through space and placed in this solar system. This scriptural doctrine contradicts the endowment, where we see the creation of the moon and it mentions our sun and the other planets too. (See Mormon Science Doctrine Here)
9b. If the Kolob doctrine is true, why is this not included in the endowment, which is supposed to be the “Lord’s University”? Why go through the creation story if it is not true and contradicts Mormon doctrine and the Book of Abraham?
10. If the endowment is actual history, then why was it so radically changed in April 1990? Whole sections were altered and others deleted! If the endowment represented real history, how could it change? Was it not true to the actual events all along? Is the new version “more true to history?” (See: Temple Changes Here)
11. In April 1990 the covenants and penalties of the endowment ceremony also changed dramatically. Didn’t Jesus say in the scriptures that a sign of false churches is that they change his covenants?
12. Where do you find a clear description of these “laws’ mentioned in the temple?
1. Law of Obedience
2. Law of Sacrifice
3. Law of Elohim
4. Law of the Lord
5. Law of the Gospel
6. Law of Chastity
7. Law of Consecration
Some of those laws that temple patrons covenant to obey are never mentioned or explained outside the temple. If they are literal laws of God that must be obeyed, why are they not all clearly identified and expounded upon in church discourse?
13. What is the difference between “legally” and “lawfully” as said in the temple endowment covenant?
14. Adam raises his arms in the “true order of prayer”, and who answers his prayer? Satan. Does this mean Satan can answer even prayers given in the “true order” ordained by God? What prayer is safe from not being intercepted by Satan? (See: Temple Endowment Ceremony Past and Present)
15 Did God really send Peter, James and John down to earth and give Adam and Eve those silly temple clothes to wear? They didn’t have a temple, so when did Adam and Eve wear them?
16. How could Peter, James and John be involved in the whole thing when they had not been born yet, hadn’t been baptized and had not been through the temple? They weren’t wearing garments themselves, so how could they be worthy to participate in the endowment events?
17. Temple workers stand in as proxies for Elohim and Jehovah during the ceremony, which makes it very sacred. But since someone also stands in as proxy for Satan, doesn’t that make the temple unholy?
18. What is the purpose of learning the “true order of prayer” if it can never be practiced outside of the temple ceremony?
19. Why does God require secret handshakes, names and passwords to pass through the veil and enter his presence? Can’t God look into our hearts and know whether or not we are worthy?
20. If the endowment is centered on Jesus Christ, why isn’t Christ’s two top commandments included in the endowment covenants – love God and love your neighbor? Why isn’t there mention of Christ’s sermon on the mount or other teachings on charity and compassion?
Understanding the endowment can be frustrating. I’ve asked temple workers and they don’t understand it either. They don’t know how it makes sense and they are the ones daily performing the endowment!
Members are taught that the temple is too sacred to discuss outside of the temple. But I suspect the real reason we Mormons don’t ever discuss the temple endowment is because it’s too nonsensical to explain. How convenient that the General Authorities never have to answer for what the temple teachings are all about.
Some members say the temple endowment is allegory and shouldn’t be taken literally. So if the endowment is allegory, then it’s not literal history. That means it doesn’t portray actual events. So, that opens up a whole bunch of questions:
– Did Adam and Eve actually exist?
– What was the real creation process?
– What are we to make of the appearance of Peter, James and John?
– Are the covenants also allegory and not to be taken literally?
– So the death-oaths were never to be taken as literal? Did Mormons know that at the time they were covenanting to have their throats slit?
– So there isn’t a literal veil like exists in the temple?
– So dead people don’t literally need to know the secret words and handshakes to enter heaven, like BY said?
– If Adam and Eve didn’t really fall, then why do we need a savior?
– If there was a fall of man in some other way, why not just show that in the endowment?
If you think it’s both allegory and history, then which parts are which? Mixing history and allegory doesn’t fit the endowment at all and makes it completely confusing and doesn’t achieve any practical spiritual objective.
It appears Joseph Smith and Brigham Young intended for the endowment to be taken as literal history to make it seem more “real.” But this defeats the purpose of spiritual enlightenment which is transmitted symbolically.
But as I’ve shown, the endowment as history doesn’t make sense either. So what true knowledge exists in the endowment?
Source: Pure Mormonism
“All marriages in this church of Christ of Latter Day Saints,” the scripture stated, “should be solemnized in a public meeting, or feast, prepared for this purpose…”
“…The persons to be married,” are to be “standing together, the man on the right, and the woman on the left…” (Emphasis mine.)
Those members of the church who were married in the temple could hardly help passing silent judgment on those who, for whatever reason, were not. Those who chose a church or civil marriage came to be seen as something akin to second-class members, persons who were somehow weak, or lacking in the faith.
The false idea was inadvertently nurtured in the imaginations of many a young Mormon girl from a very early age, that if she kept herself worthy, one day an equally worthy returned missionary (the ultimate in handsome manliness) would sweep her up like prince charming and carry her to the temple which was, in her imagination, a magic fairy castle where she would be dressed as a princess and celebrated by all within on the glorious day of her wedding. And then, as a reward for a lifetime of continence, she would live the rest of her life happily ever after with all her dreams fulfilled.
Sometimes the old ways are the best.
Oliver Huntington promised by JS that he would preach to the inhabitants of the moon.
“Nearly all the great discoveries of men in the last half century have, in one way or another, either directly or indirectly, contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a Prophet.
“As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do — that they live generally to near the age of 1000 years.
“He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style.
“In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I should preach the gospel before I was 21 years of age; that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes.”
(The Young Woman’s Journal, published by the Young Ladies’ Mutual Improvement Associations of Zion, 1892, vol. 3, pp. 263-64)
Just another example of how people believed JS no matter how outrageous his claims were.
What do apologists say to this?
Steven Gibson seems to have come up with a wonderful explanation:
“Another aspect of the matter needs to be considered. At the present time, man has no scientific or revealed knowledge of whether or not there are inhabitants on the earth’s moon. The fact that a handful of astronauts didn’t see any inhabitants in the tiny area they viewed when they landed on the moon decades ago certainly gives no definitive information, any more than visitors to earth who might land in barren Death Valley would have any idea of the billions of inhabitants elsewhere.”
Yes, he published this.
Source: The Mormon Curtain