Boyd K. Packer and his ideas on families


Guys, this is huge and a very important post. I haven’t seen anyone else discuss or point out what I’m about to share. In my countless hours of research and study, in the last 6 months, I have never seen or read anywhere, what I have just found. I came across this talk yesterday, By the current Mormon Apostle, Boyd K. Packer, entitled Follow The Rule.

This talk was given at BYU, in Provo, Utah on January 14th 1977.

Now keep in mind that at this point, Black people were still cursed(by God of course) in the Mormon Church, to the point that the males couldn’t have the Priesthood and both the black men and the black women were not allowed to enter into the temple under any condition.

It was strictly forbidden by God. The “Blacks get the Priesthood” revelation, didn’t happen until 1978 and only after the Church realized that they were about to face a major PR disaster in Brazil.

Fist of all, most of the people in Brazil were either black or had a black heritage,which terrified the Mormon Hierarchy. Can you imagine if a person with even one drop of black blood entered God’s house? Oh, the terror!! Unbelievable!! Racists!! Black people were also the major contributors, that were donating to help build the temple, but then wouldn’t be able to enter it. I’ll be doing another post on this one.

Boyd K. Packer, still believed at this time, in 1977, that blacks would never have the Priesthood, nor be allowed to enter or marry in the temple. Of course, he wasn’t just racist against blacks, for good measure, he threw in several other races. I always knew that we were advised in the Church to marry within our own race but I never knew where it came from. Now I know and it’s a real mind blower. I shouldn’t be surprised that it was Boyd K. Packer behind that idea.

Again, I’ve never seen this anywhere else. If you do a search on MSN, for the phrase, “Marry Into Your Own Race”, only 1 result comes up. If you do that same search on Google, only 7 items come up, including the reference to the BYU speech site, which I link you to below. The other links make no reference to Mormonism or Boyd K. Packer. So, guys, this is really unchartered territory and it’s about time that somebody got this information out there, as to the real character of the racist/bigot, Boyd K. Packer.

**Warning** Everyone copy this talk to your hard-drive, because I suspect that once it starts circulating around the Internet, it will be pulled, like his other pathetic, controversial talks that vanished into thin air. Somehow, they missed this one, oops, but good for us. Anything that can expose these men to the world, for how they really think, is a great thing. Trust me, this will soon be all over the place.

They’ve cleaned house pretty good, pulling Mark E. Peterson’s racial rants from 1954, but this one slipped through the cracks. It’s hard to believe that they missed this one. I predict heads will roll and somebody will be getting fired for this one, after facing the wrath of Hinckley and Packer of course. Maybe it’s time for Boyd K. Packer to step down and resign. You think?

Here are the remarks.

Packer says:

Now, one other subject. It’s been the policy of the Church–and it’s been spoken on many occasions–that as the gathering of Israel is in Mexico for the Mexicans, in Tonga for the Tongans, in China for the Chinese, and so on, so has been our counsel as it relates to marriage.

We’ve always counseled in the Church for our Mexican members to marry Mexicans, our Japanese members to marry Japanese, our Caucasians to marry Caucasians, our Polynesian members to marry Polynesians. The counsel has been wise. You may say again, “Well, I know of exceptions.” I do, too, and they’ve been very successful marriages. I know some of them. You might even say, “I can show you local Church leaders or perhaps even general leaders who have married out of their race.” I say, “Yes–exceptions.” Then I would remind you of that Relief Society woman’s near-scriptural statement,
“We’d like to follow the rule first, and then we’ll take care of the exceptions.”

For every exception we can show you tens and hundreds, and I suppose thousands, who were not happy. Plan, young people, to marry into your own race. This counsel is good, and I hope our branch presidents are listening and paying attention. The counsel is good.

Things are not always easy when we receive counsel, whether the counsel is to return to serve among our own people or whether it is counsel to marry among our own culture and racial backgrounds. Always there is a decision. Always we can say, “We’re an exception.” But I say, in the words of that Relief Society sister, “As for me, I’m going to follow the rule first; and then, should there be an exception, perhaps that will be made known.”

Wow!! Was Boyd K. Packer on on roll in the 1970’s or what? Through his talks, he proved himself to be a homophobe(
To the One), a racist(Follow The Rule), and, an anti-masturbator scholar(AKA “little factory” expert). Then in 1981, in The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than The Intellect, he made the statements; “Some things that are true are not very useful.” Further on in the talk, he also said, “Remember: when you see the bitter apostate, you do not see only an absence of light, you see also the presence of darkness.Do not spread disease germs.”

Anyone else notice how he mentioned that it was okay if a local or general Mormon Leader married outside of his race, it was just an “exception.” However, it wasn’t okay for other, normal members to do it, as they should “follow the rule first.” Again, it’s the pervasive, do as we say, not as we do hypocrisy. This quote proves once again, that they are nothing but evil cult leaders, that tell their flock what they can and can’t do, while they are free to do whatever the hell they please. Their rules, the Church’s rules, do not and have never applied to Church leaders. Thanks Boyd K. Packer for pointing this out once again to the world and for proving me and all of us that believe this, to be correct in our assertions.

Also, I wanted to point something else that he said. He’s referring to people’s nationalities, “Mexican members to marry Mexicans, our Japanese members to marry Japanese” and then instead of saying Americans marrying Americans, he says, “our Caucasians to marry Caucasians”. Then he follows with our “Polynesian members to marry Polynesians.” He doesn’t even say Our Caucasian members, just “our Caucasians.” Notice that there’s no mention of “our black members to marry blacks.

Also, in the first paragraph that I quoted , when speaking of “the gathering of Israel”, he even mentions “in Tonga for the Tongans, in China for the Chinese, but again, no mention of “in America for the Americans” and no mentions of blacks. So why no mention of Blacks? It’s because they couldn’t get married in the temple, so he excluded them from the conversation. This clearly shows you how unimportant and disrespected the Black race was, even in 1977, by Boyd K. Packer and the Church in general.

Like I said, he was on a roll. I highly suggest that everyone read all of these talks to come to your own conclusions, although I think it’s pretty clear where this bigot is/was coming from. Oh yeah, by the way, neither he or any Mormon Prophet, has retracted, rescinded or apologized for any of these statements. Therefore, they still stand today and all we can assume, is that if they believed it then, they must still believe it now. For me, it’s one of two things and pretty simple; either they still believe these things, or are afraid to apologize because admitting that they were wrong, could throw the Church into complete turmoil. What are the odds that Boyd K. Packer isn’t still a racist, homophobe, that is vehemently against masturbation and boys “fondling themselves?”

Regardless of what the pathetic apologists say, like Daniel Peterson, John Lynch, Jeff Lindsey and others, these men are revered by members as the Prophets, Seers and Revelators that they claim to be. These average members, turn out in droves when one of them speak. In most places, other than Utah, especially in foreign countries, if the Prophet is gonna show up, people line the streets for hours, just trying to catch a quick glimpse of God’s official mouthpiece. Have you seen the pathetic shows that come on in between conferences, showing the pandemonium?

They scream, cry, the tears flow and they are so excited and look at it as a “once in a lifetime opportunity.” Does this sound like members look at them as fallible men with deficiencies and sins, etc? No, it certainly doesn’t. Plus, Hinckley and all the other GA’s, eat this stuff up and love to be treated as royalty and rarely if ever, talk about their shortcomings and never admit to past sins, either of themselves or of the Church. In other words, they do nothing to dismiss this image that the members have of them.

The truth is, that if they were to come forward and admit to all of the racism, bigotry, etc, it would shake the faith of the average member to the core. The average member isn’t even aware of many of these things in the first place and they aren’t professional apologists, that can just easily accept anything they do and say, as just “silly and normal” things that normal people do. The apologists are like “hey, they are just these normal guys, that make mistakes, etc.” The problem lies in that every damn General Conference, the membership re-confirms them to be Prophets, Seers and Revelators, right?

Maybe they should start confirming them as Liars, Bigots and deceivers, that might be more appropriate. If anyone thinks that last line is over the top, out of line, etc, re-read Packers statements above, plus his other despicable talks, including “little boys fondling themselves”, and then tell me if I’m wrong. Read about their racist remarks, their bigoted remarks, their stealing from the poor, their “pay your tithing instead of feeding your Family” and then tell me I’m wrong. Take a spin through Brigham Young’s quotes regarding blacks and Jews and then tell me that I’m wrong.

I can cite example after example of this BS. Then show me where the Mormon Church has apologized for these things that were said and for their racism and bigotry. Good luck, you won’t find that. The evidence is irrefutable and absolutely damning. I want to see some pathetic apologist, try to explain and twist Packer’s words above into something understandable and wonderful. In the process, they will make an ass out of themselves. The truth is, I don’t think that anyone, Apologist, GA, etc, can come up with any other meaning from what he said. Packer is toast on this one.

If any of the Mormon GA’s are reading this, how about you do a sit down interview with me, live on TV to explain all of the things that I’m talking about. I would gladly talk to Hinckley, Faust, Packer, etc, in a heartbeat. I have no fear of these pathetic men, that prey on poor people, homosexuals, blacks and other races. They don’t intimidate me, they are nothing to me but disgusting low-life scumbags!!

Wouldn’t it be nice, if they would do that interview? Well, don’t get your hopes up guys, it will never happen, for me or anyone else. They will never meet with anyone that is gonna ask the very tough questions and try to get to the bottom of it all. The report that Hinckley did with the German reporter at the Olympics, is about as close as your gonna get. When Monson or Packer take over, there will be no interviews, period, you watch. Hinckley has been an anomaly in that regard and believe me when I say that Monson, Faust, Packer and the rest will learn from Hinckley’s mistakes and blunders, namely, making himself available to the public scrutiny. They will never make the same mistakes.

Also, along these lines, I would love for the Mormon Church to come out and clarify why Black women were not able to go to the temple, even though they “don’t” have the Priesthood? Most people don’t even realize that, but it’s true. While men were forbidden from having the Priesthood, due to the “curse from God” or being “less valiant” in the Pre-existence, women have never been able to “officially” have the Priesthood, yet black women were still banned from all of the “blessings” of the temple.

So why is that Gordo? Can you help us out? One can only imagine what his lame answer would be, based on his pathetic answers to other tough questions. I have never read or heard anything that would explain the reason for the exclusion of black women from the temple.

I need about 30 minutes with Hinckley for an interview and we could clear all of this up or at least completely expose Mormonism for the fraud that it is. He probably wouldn’t have a clue, like he usually doesn’t, but it would be fun to have a video of that. It would be both fun and funny, to have a tape of little old me, confounding a supposed Mormon Prophet, question after question, wouldn’t it? He’d probably get up and walk out after about the 5th question that he wouldn’t be able to answer. LOL!! It would be highly embarrassing for sure, both for him and the Church.

Well, it is my belief and my understanding after doing quite a bit of research, that women, do indeed receive the Priesthood in the temple, they just don’t have any office or place outside of the temple or in the Church to actually use it. I always wondered why the women would walk around giving the tokens of the Priesthood to other women in the temple, if they didn’t have the Priesthood. It made no sense. I would always ask myself, “how can they be doing a Priesthood function if they don’t have the Priesthood? Even one of my die-hard TBM Family members wondered out-loud about that once.

Well, now you know. It also explains how women were able to give blessings of health and comfort back in Ol’Joe’s day. Yeah, they did the laying on of hands all the time. One day, I’ll do a post on that. There in incontrovertible proof that women used to give blessings, even to Apostles, etc. There is account after account of this happening.

Hmmm…..I wonder when that ended and why? My guess is that it was the bigot, women abuser, blood atonement lover, murderer, wife stealer, polygamist, disgrace of a human being, Brigham Young, that most likely cut that off. After all, we can’t have women with equal authority, that would be blasphemous. So much of the BS and the worst statements on racism, blood atonement, etc, came from Brigham Young or during his time. Much of it right over the pulpit in the Tabernacle. But, it’s okay, he was a man too and made mistakes, etc, etc.

Anyway, like I said, I’ll do a post on blessings by women, that should open some eyes, WIDE OPEN!! It’s amazing what the Mormon Church DOESN’T talk about that either and how they try to pretend that some things just didn’t happen and never existed. Don’t they realize that people can look it up, study it and then post it to the world? Are they really that naive and stupid? Their lack of foresight is amazing, especially considering that they are “Prophets, Seers and Revelators.” Obviously they aren’t!! Wake up everyone!!

Of course, as Hinckley would say, all of these things are just little flecks of history, that are now in the past, etc. Well, maybe for Hinckley it is all in the past, but not for those people or their Families that have been and are still being affected by the bigotry, racism, homophobia, etc, that existed and still does in many cases, in the Mormon Church. Tell the Families of the victims of the Mountain Meadow Massacre, or the Hoffman bombings, that it’s just in the past and time to move on. Hey Hinckley, the way that you move on properly, would be to use the repentance process that you hold us to.

The first thing you need to do is feel sorrow for your sins and humble yourself, which you or the Church, has never done and never will do. Then you need to confess and admit your sins, in this case, to the world. Then you try to right your wrongs and personally ask for forgiveness from those that were affected by the sins of you and your Church and your lies and fraud. Any of this ringing a bell?

Then, you strike the racist statements of Brigham Young, Boyd K. Packer and others, from the record. You admit that the Church was basically a white supremacist, very racist organization and isn’t much better today, since all of those statements previously made, are still on the record and for sale at Deseret Book, Jesus’ official bookstore. You get the picture?

The Mormon Church and it’s History are a complete disgrace and then you have Hinckley saying, “I knew a so-called intellectual who said the Church was trapped by its history. My response was that without that history we have nothing. The truth of that unique, singular, and remarkable event is the pivotal substance of our faith.”

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, buy a conference Ensign or just go to the October version, on-line and go to the page of General Authorities(pages 64 & 65) and show me one black man among The First Presidency, Apostles, Presiding Bishopric and the Seventies. There isn’t one of course. But hey, lets just move on, that racism BS was in the past, right? Isn’t it amazing that there isn’t one worthy, Mormon Black man on the face of the planet, that can be a GA at this time. I’ve said this many times on my previous posts, but hey, I never get tired of pointing this out.

Anyway, I hope that this post has opened some eyes and that you people on the fence, will realize, finally, what really lies at the core of the Mormon Church and people like Boyd K. Packer. His teachings are filled with hate, intolerance and racial divisions. For those of you that think I’m too angry; maybe you need to re-direct your anger or concern, where it truly belongs; with bigots/racists like Boyd K. Packer.

Maybe you need to focus on what I’m saying instead of how I’m saying it. Am I pissed about this stuff, your damn right I am and with very good reason. Look it up yourself if you think I’m lying, verify it, study it and then come and tell me that I shouldn’t, nor should anybody, be angry about this. I guess, if you are okay with racism and bigotry, then you wouldn’t understand why anyone would be upset by statements like the one above by Boyd K. Packer.

If that’s the case, and you actually side with Packer, then I pray for your soul and that maybe I can teach you that this thinking is wrong and flat out evil. Keep reading my blog and maybe you can change.There is no place in this world, for this kind of hate speech like Packer shared above. I don’t care when he grew up, or the history of the times, when he was a kid, etc. He hasn’t ever come forward, that I can find, through my extensive studies, to say I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have said that, it was wrong, etc. Until there is a full re-traction and an apology, I will continue to call him a bigot and racist, two titles that he clearly deserves and has earned.

I’ve shared this link before, but let me share it again. It is a letter, written by DAVID ECCLES HARDY on October 7, 1999 to Boyd K. Packer. David Hardy, is a former Bishop and wrote this painful, heart wrenching letter, regarding his 13 year old son, who discovered he’s homosexual. He addressed the many things that Boyd K. Packer had to say in the speech, “To the one”, and how those things affected his Family and especially his Son. If you haven’t read this, please take the time to read it and then tell me that Boyd K. Packer, isn’t a bigot.

I’m making an open Challenge to Boyd K. Packer to come forward and tell the world that he is sorry for these hurtful, divisive and hateful words that he has spoken and then to resign his position in the Church. It’s time that this man is held accountable for his sins and it’s also time for him to go. Enough is enough. Give the world a great Christmas present by admitting your sins, apologizing and then say that the only right thing to do, based on the circumstances, is to resign.

I’m not gonna hold my breath, but you never know. I encourage everyone that is reading this post, to spread it around the Internet everywhere you can. We need to get this information out there for all the world to see. We need to put intense pressure on the Mormon Church, to respond publicly to these things. Let’s do everything we can, to make this happen.

Thanks you guys for reading my blog and for all that you do, to expose the Mormon fraud every chance you get. Keep up the great work!!

Samuel the Utahnite


8 Comments Add yours

  1. shematwater says:

    I don’t have time to read all the stupidity here. This is just another pathetic attempt to try and find something else to complain about.

    The counsel to marry within your own race has nothing to do with racism. It is good counsel, just as it is good counsel to marry within your own religion, or culture, or economic status. If followed the counsel will lead to less stress and less fights and disputes between husband and wife, and thus less divorces and broken families.
    The more things people have in common in their background, the less chance there is for serious disagreement in the future.

    However, I am posting because of one comment that was made, and I quote
    “Anyone else notice how he mentioned that it was okay if a local or general Mormon Leader married outside of his race, it was just an “exception.” However, it wasn’t okay for other, normal members to do it, as they should “follow the rule first.” Again, it’s the pervasive, do as we say, not as we do hypocrisy.”

    Yet this is not what President Packer said, and anyone really reading his words, rather than looking for reasons to complain, would realize this. This is what he said (as quoted in this post)
    “You may say again, “Well, I know of exceptions.” I do, too, and they’ve been very successful marriages. I know some of them. You might even say, “I can show you local Church leaders or perhaps even general leaders who have married out of their race.” I say, “Yes–exceptions.”

    Notice that he first mentions exceptions that are not leaders, and then mentions exceptions that are. He is not reserving exceptions to the leadership. He is agreeing that there are exceptions, even among the leadership.
    His point was that anyone can be the exception, but few truly are, and so we should assume we are not, as the odds will be with us. If God has planned for you to be the exception he will let you know, but you should not assume such until he reveals it to you.

    This entire post is just another example of the senseless attempt made by the enemy to twist words and meanings of great mean in a vain attempt to find fault with them.


  2. Miguel says:

    The stupidity is hear LDS leaders telling me that my marriage was not inspired and shows my lack of faithfulness to the Gospel because I left my country to work abroad (to my country as well) and married a local.

    I served a mission, I had lots of problems with family and it was always people who never left home and did nothing than gossip who were always criticizing those who gave their all to the church. And for what? To later find out that the church is a fraud and with my heart bleeding, resigning church membership.

    In 25 years church membership I have found that the LDS church is nothing less than a religious club full of bigottry and prejudice.


  3. shematwater says:

    I have a brother who married a woman from Bolivia, whom he met while on his mission there. I ahve another brother who married a Mexican woman living in Utah, whom he also met on his mission. Neither of my brothers lack faith in the church, and neither of them would read President Packer’s words and take them as such an accusation.

    If you were actually paying attention to what he said you would say you were one of the exceptions that he mentioned. You would also realize that what he was talking about primarily was those people who seek to marry outside their background. A man of Causasian descent should not purposefully seek a wife of any other race. If he finds a woman whom he loves of another race, go right ahead and marry her. But do not seek such.

    I stand by what I said, because what you said is not an accurate portrayal of President Packer’s meaning.


    1. Miguel says:

      As I told you, I heard several times criticism to my marriage because we come from different Nations. And all this during Sunday School classes. Prejudice and judgement at its best. Not to mention the prejudice that I and other national missionaries suffered because we were not US citizens. So… for me, the LDS church is nothing more than a place full prejudice and judgemental people.


      1. shematwater says:

        That is very true, but that was not the intent of President Packer. If you can make things work, great and more power to you. However, there are many who, under the same pressure that you are under, cannot make it work, and fall into divorce and broken families.

        It is a sad thing that this happens in the church, and any person using the words of this great man to justify it are using his words wrong, and will answer for it.

        I would read these words to those who criticize you and then declare that you are one of the exceptions that he mentions. Declare that you did look among your own race (unless you never once even thought about it), that you followed the rule first, and found yourself to be an exception.

        However, do not take his words as a condemnation of your marraige, as they were never intended to be so. Tell people exactly what he said, to look among your own people first, and then, if you are unable to find the partner for you look to other people.

        I have no doubt that many people use what President Packer said to justify their own prejudice. I am simply saying that you should not use it to justify your resentment of them.


      2. shematwater says:

        I do apologize for any insults. I have just read some rather annoying blogs and I think it carried over into this.


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